Building Leadership, Creating Culture

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The panelists

Albert Santalo, founder and CEO of 8base, a software company with offices in Miami and St. Petersburg, Russia.

Matthew Shpiner, director of emergency management for the University of Miami.

Caroline Fleischer, managing principal at Cresa, a commercial real estate firm with an office in Fort Lauderdale.

Richard D. Lara, executive vice president and general counsel at Spanish Broadcasting System, a media company based in Miami.


David Appel, managing partner of the Cherry Bekaert tax, audit and advisory services firm, moderated SFBW’s October executive roundtable, held at the Peacock Garden Café in Coconut Grove. Takeaways from the conversation included how innovation percolates during moments of stress, why some technology companies aren’t diverse, and how building a culture of inclusiveness might retain employees.

This transcript has been edited for brevity and clarity.

Success is not always a straight line. If you need to define the role of failure in your organization with a willingness to understand that failure is an option, when do you realize you have to pull the plug on an idea or project?

Lara: Our executive committee looks for new hires who have experienced failure because it’s that kind of experience, to us, that says someone is not averse to change and risk if you’ve failed and found a way to pick yourself up. Those risktakers are what the company looks for.

Fleischer: In my industry, a lot of our occupiers are going through major mergers and acquisitions, so the footprint and trying to figure out commercial real estate is sometimes a little uncertain. When I was asked to work with the Revlon corporation, their CEO wanted to be in the hottest market in Miami Dade County. We had a vision of going to Brickell. We transacted the deal. And then a few months later, Elizabeth Arden acquired the company and a new CEO came on board who had a completely different vision. They ended up relocating out of the Brickell location.

Shpiner: The university had gone through a multiyear enterprise transition program, and the final transition was to take place on Sept. 1, 2017, which was a Friday, and Monday was Labor Day, and then Hurricane Irma came a week later. We were amid chaos and disaster. Even though it was the peak of hurricane season, we couldn’t put all our business on pause for two months. The university came out stronger. People found a way to make things work because innovation and creativity is brought out in times of challenge.

Santalo: I’ll comment on this a bit differently. Being in a venture, there are different schools of thought in terms of how you deal with risk and risk tolerance and failure. I like to subscribe to what I call “West Coast thinking.” And at CareCloud, when the company was founded with about $8 million of angel investment, they wanted venture investors and they wanted to find them on the West Coast. It’s one thing to hop on a plane from Miami to San Francisco, and it’s another thing to come back with investors, and we were fortunate enough to do that.

And the big reason behind it was that I felt that the West Coast was much more attuned with entrepreneurship than the East Coast investors were at the time. This has changed a little bit because the West Coast model has been so successful in the last few years, but generally speaking, if you’re an entrepreneur over there who fails, and you start your next venture, the venture community says, “Well, he or she probably learned a lot in that first experience, so let’s support them and give them money as long as they were honest and hardworking and did everything that they could.”

The West Coast tends to subscribe to the lean startup model, which is all about experimentation. Jeff Bezos is an example of a person in a large company who embraces this concept. He will tell you about the experiments and failures within Amazon, including the Amazon Fire phone. It was a big failure and they learned from it and they’ve tried other things.

What does your organization do to create a culture that fosters inclusiveness, engagement and talent management?

Shpiner: At UM, diversity is one of our core values. When we think about hiring, we look at free thought of expression. Our student body is diverse, and so are our employees. That’s what makes us so special as an institution, and we can only do that by having a diverse base that is supportive.

Fleischer: We founded a diversity group earlier this year. We have a full committee, and some of our executives sit on it and chair it. Our goal was to get our employees’ input and to support self-expression and nurturing everyone’s work. It’s our philosophy that everyone has a seat at the table and everybody can share his or her views, which I think is very important in retaining employees. And it allows for a more-open environment where people feel as though they are contributing to the overall success of Cresa as a whole. It’s been well-received so far.

Santalo: In a small startup environment, it’s hard to have diversity. If you look at the 8base website right now, all you’ll see is men. And that’s not necessarily by design. Unfortunately, in engineering, the statistics are quite low for the number of women who do software development. At my last company, CareCloud, we had more women than men and we were very proud of that. Diversity is incredibly important. It’s important to foster a culture of acceptance of different kinds of people and different kinds of ideas.

SFBW is the exclusive media partner of the South Florida Executive Roundtable. For more information on SFER, visit SFexecRoundtable.com.

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Drew Limsky

Drew Limsky



Drew Limsky joined Lifestyle Media Group in August 2020 as Editor-in-Chief of South Florida Business & Wealth. His first issue of SFBW, October 2020, heralded a reimagined structure, with new content categories and a slew of fresh visual themes. “As sort of a cross between Forbes and Robb Report, with a dash of GQ and Vogue,” Limsky says, “SFBW reflects South Florida’s increasingly sophisticated and dynamic business and cultural landscape.”

Limsky, an avid traveler, swimmer and film buff who holds a law degree and Ph.D. from New York University, likes to say, “I’m a doctor, but I can’t operate—except on your brand.” He wrote his dissertation on the nonfiction work of Joan Didion. Prior to that, Limsky received his B.A. in English, summa cum laude, from Emory University and earned his M.A. in literature at American University in connection with a Masters Scholar Award fellowship.

Limsky came to SFBW at the apex of a storied career in journalism and publishing that includes six previous lead editorial roles, including for some of the world’s best-known brands. He served as global editor-in-chief of Lexus magazine, founding editor-in-chief of custom lifestyle magazines for Cadillac and Holland America Line, and was the founding editor-in-chief of Modern Luxury Interiors South Florida. He also was the executive editor for B2B magazines for Acura and Honda Financial Services, and he served as travel editor for Conde Nast. Magazines under Limsky’s editorship have garnered more than 75 industry awards.

He has also written for many of the country’s top newspapers and magazines, including The New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Miami Herald, Boston Globe, USA Today, Worth, Robb Report, Afar, Time Out New York, National Geographic Traveler, Men’s Journal, Ritz-Carlton, Elite Traveler, Florida Design, Metropolis and Architectural Digest Mexico. His other clients have included Four Seasons, Acqualina Resort & Residences, Yahoo!, American Airlines, Wynn, Douglas Elliman and Corcoran. As an adjunct assistant professor, Limsky has taught journalism, film and creative writing at the City University of New York, Pace University, American University and other colleges.